In this episode, Kate is joined by Ebele Okobi, who has held senior roles at OpenAI, Meta and Nike. But in this conversation, it's her separation story that takes centre stage. And this one is different – you'll want to stay right till the end to find out why.

We talk about:

• The circumstances that led Ebele to the decision to separate
• How society can make it harder to do things kindly – both in divorce and co-parenting
• How Ebele’s children and friends responded to the news
• Why communication matters so much through separation
• How certain revelations can completely change the way you see your life and your relationship

There's a big reveal at the end – and it's worth the wait.

This episode is for anyone navigating separation and looking for a story of hope – and a reminder that there's not a single right way to do this.

Trigger warning: This episode touches on content some listeners may find distressing, including violence, murder, police brutality, racial discrimination and genocide. Please take care of yourself while listening.

Meet Ebele Okobi

Ebele Okobi is the principal of Revolutionary Projects, an advisor, board member and maker of good trouble with 25 years of experience leading global teams across tech, consumer brands and arts institutions. With a background spanning corporate law, policy and the C-suite – including roles at OpenAI, Facebook/Meta, Nike and Dr. Martens – she now focuses her energy on organisations that push towards joy, justice and better worlds.

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