In the powerful return of The Alchemy of Pain, Brenda Viola sits down with transformation coach and Catching Thoughts creator Jayne Boggs for a deeply honest conversation about emotional healing, self-awareness, and the science behind naming our feelings.

Brenda opens up about growing up in an environment where emotions were suppressed rather than processed; a reality many listeners will recognize.

Inspired by neuroscience research showing that simply naming emotions can reduce activity in the brain’s fear center, the conversation explores how emotional honesty can become a pathway to freedom.

Jayne shares the story behind her interactive game Catching Thoughts, a tool designed to help children — and adults — understand the connection between thoughts, feelings, and behaviors through principles rooted in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and faith.

Together, Brenda and Jayne walk through a real-life example of how negative thoughts can spiral into shame, paralysis, and emotional pain and how replacing lies with truth can bring peace, clarity, and healing.

The episode also dives into deeper themes of codependency, boundaries, marriage struggles, authenticity, and the courage it takes to stop abandoning yourself to keep others comfortable.

Jayne vulnerably shares how her own painful season ultimately led to transformation, creativity, and purpose.

This heartfelt conversation is a reminder that pain does not have to define us. It can refine us. And sometimes, healing begins with something as simple and brave as telling the truth about how we really feel.

Learn more at www.catchingthoughts.com