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Dwarkesh Podcast

Dwarkesh Podcast

By: Dwarkesh Patel
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  • Grant Sanderson – AI and the future of math
    Jun 30 2026

    Always so much fun to chat with Grant.

    AI has been making much faster progress in math than in other fields. As a result, mathematics is showing us, very concretely, what AI progress in other fields will look like. Even within mathematics, there’s a jagged landscape. What does it look like?

    What is the nature of the most important conceptual breakthroughs in the history of mathematics, and how different are they from what AIs are currently able to do?

    Does AI (on net) increase or decrease human understanding of the field?

    How big is the overhang from having AIs systematically try to connect ideas already in the literature?

    And what advice does Grant have for aspiring mathematicians, coders, and other students who are passionate about fields that are being most transformed upon by AI?

    Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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    Timestamps

    (00:00:00) – AI is discovering new proofs. Is that AGI?

    (00:11:32) – The verification loop on conceptual breakthroughs can be a century long

    (00:26:12) – Will we understand an AI proof of the Riemann hypothesis?

    (00:38:08) – Can AI find the hidden bridges between fields?

    (00:53:48) – Why real-world tasks don’t fit into RL environments

    (01:07:07) – Good writing requires theory of mind that AI still lacks

    (01:16:02) – Why learning will still depend on human curation



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    1 hr and 34 mins
  • The next big breakthrough will be AIs learning on the job
    Jun 26 2026

    Read it here.

    Thanks to Mercury for sponsoring this essay.

    Mercury has automated basically my entire bill pay process for my business. I just give contractors a dedicated email address, and when they send an invoice, Mercury automatically creates a draft payment for me to review. I no longer have to hunt through my inbox for invoices or deal with messy spreadsheets to track my bills. Mercury handles it all. Learn more at mercury.com

    Timestamps:

    (00:00:00) – The big research bet the labs are making

    (00:02:12) – Grindability is just as important as verifiability

    (00:06:10) – Will RLVR alone generalize?

    (00:08:41) – Getting the learning back to the weights

    (00:15:22) – Dreaming

    (00:17:23) – What 2027 looks like



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    20 mins
  • The data black hole at the center of AI
    Jun 19 2026

    Read the transcript here.

    Thanks to Mercury for sponsoring this essay!

    Mercury just released a new feature called Command, which gives me AI right in my banking platform. And since I use Mercury to run basically my entire business, Command has access to all the info it needs to get real work done. I can ask it to send invoices, or categorize expenses, or even transfer money… and Command just handles it. Learn more at mercury.com/command

    Timestamps:

    (00:00:00) – What is really driving AI progress?

    (00:03:11) – Comparing human vs AI sample efficiency

    (00:08:46) – Does sample efficiency matter?



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    12 mins
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