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Legacy

Legacy

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Afua Hirsch and Peter Frankopan tell the wild stories of some of the most extraordinary men and women ever to have lived – and ask whether they have the rep they deserve. Should Nina Simone’s role in the civil rights movement be more celebrated than it is? When you find out what Picasso got up to in his studio, can you still admire his art? Was Napoleon a hero or a tyrant - or both? (And, while we’re at it, was he even short?) Legacy is the show that looks at big lives from the perspective of now – and doesn’t always like what it sees.

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Episodes
  • 1776 | The Women Washington Could Never Catch | 2
    Jun 11 2026

    Who really built American freedom — and why does the answer make so many people so uncomfortable? What happens when an enslaved woman takes the Declaration of Independence more seriously than the man who wrote it? And, when the President of the United States turns the full machinery of government against one young Black woman — why can't he catch her?

    Belinda Sutton petitioned a court for fifty years of unpaid wages and won. Ona Judge walked out of the President's house while George Washington ate his dinner, and spent the rest of her life free. The founding story you were taught left both of them out entirely.


    [0:00] The founding myth and its glaring blind spot

    [3:00] Belinda Sutton — kidnapped at 12, enslaved for 50 years, and why she still fought back

    [7:50] The petition that became one of the earliest demands for reparations in American history

    [12:00] John Hancock signs off — and why the estate still refuses to pay

    [17:00] How Belinda's story spread and why Ta-Nehisi Coates and Harvard both came calling

    [19:30] Ona Judge — Washington's secret system for keeping his household enslaved in Pennsylvania

    [24:00] The night she walked out while the President ate dinner

    [27:30] Washington weaponises the federal government to hunt her down

    [31:00] She negotiates with the President — and he blinks first

    [34:00] "I am free" — Ona Judge's answer, fifty years later, says everything


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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:

    Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    37 mins
  • 1776 | The Founding Mothers | 1
    Jun 9 2026

    The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal. But what did that mean to the women who heard those words and knew they were being lied to? Who were the women the founding fathers never mentioned — and what did they do about it? And, if America was founded on the idea of freedom, why did it take another century — and a civil war — to even begin to make good on that promise? Afua and Peter turn the founding of America upside down, telling the story of 1776 through the women the Declaration forgot: a teenage poet who became the first Black woman in history to publish a book of poetry in English, and an enslaved woman who walked into a lawyer's office and used the Constitution to abolish slavery in Massachusetts.


    (0:00) The Declaration of Independence is about to turn 250 — but whose freedom was it really for?

    (1:43) Legacy Plus — bonus episodes, early access, and fewer ads 2:00 Why enslaved Americans didn't wait to be freed — they were already fighting

    (5:36) Lord Dunmore's proclamation and the moment thousands of Black men chose their side

    (7:48) Phillis Wheatley: kidnapped at seven, named after the slave ship that took her

    (9:59) From chalk letters on a wall to mastering Greek — the making of a prodigy

    (12:09) The court case where she had to prove she wrote her own poems

    (14:23) Sent to London as pro-slavery propaganda — and why it spectacularly backfired

    (16:12) Published in London, ignored in Boston: the first Black woman to publish poetry in English

    (17:23) The poem she sent to George Washington — and why he actually wrote back

    (18:47) They met in Cambridge in 1776: the Virginia enslaver and the young woman he couldn't ignore

    (20:04) How post-revolutionary America still wouldn't publish her — and how she built a subscription model 250 years before Substack

    (21:50) She reached Washington, Jefferson, Thomas Paine — and died at 30 in a boarding house

    (23:34) Elizabeth Freeman: the woman who heard the Declaration read aloud and walked straight to a lawyer

    (25:11) "Where's my freedom?" — the most direct question anyone asked of the founding fathers

    (27:05) The iron-shaped scar she refused to hide — and how she weaponised it

    (27:41) Bett v Ashley: the case that abolished slavery in Massachusetts

    (31:36 She wins not just her freedom but freedom for every enslaved person in the state — then changes her name to Elizabeth Freeman


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    Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    34 mins
  • Declaration of Independence | The Brand | 2
    Jun 4 2026

    Who wrote "all men are created equal" — and then went home to more than 180 enslaved people? What does a document actually mean when it excludes women, Indigenous peoples, and one in five of the very population it claims to liberate? And, was the Declaration of Independence a genuine statement of universal human rights — or the most successful rebranding exercise in political history?

    Peter and Afua tear apart the Declaration of Independence: who wrote it, what it actually meant, what was left out on purpose, and why its contradictions still define America 250 years on.


    (0:00) "All men are created equal" — by men who didn't believe it

    (9:00) Britain vs the colonies: mistrust, miscalculation, and the slide into war

    (14:00) Lexington, Concord, and the shot heard around the world

    (19:00) Lord Dunmore's offer: freedom to the enslaved — and the colonists' outrage

    (24:00) Thomas Paine's Common Sense and the power of simple ideas

    (30:00) John Hancock signs big and invents a new word for "signature"

    (35:00) After independence: debt, fragility, and the problems victory didn't solve

    (42:00) How the revolution accidentally redirected the British Empire


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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:

    Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    Stay connected with Legacy:

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    TikTok: @legacy_productions


    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    36 mins
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