In this episode, Chris and Tracy sit down with Jon Oliver for a wide-ranging conversation about calling, leadership, and faithfulness in ministry. Jon shares his personal story and testimony, including the influence of growing up with a father who was a bi-vocational pastor.

They explore the importance of mentors, spiritual guidance, and healthy models of leadership for those serving in ministry today. Jon reflects on his years of ministry, leadership with youth gatherings and Accelerant Youth Convention, and what it means to invest intentionally in the next generation of leaders.

https://www.nciphc.com/discipleship-ministries

Linked In - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-oliver-ba91634a/

In their second episode, Jackie and Cheryl Johns continue the conversation by exploring how Scripture shapes leaders from the inside out. They discuss how leaders can approach Scripture with humility, expectation, and openness to the Spirit’s work.

With pastoral warmth and scholarly insight, Jackie and Cheryl remind listeners that the Bible is not only to be studied—but received, as the Holy Spirit forms us through God’s living Word. Chris and Tracy talk with them about Re-enchanting the Text and the need to recover wonder, attentiveness, and spiritual depth in Bible study. Leaders are invited to enter a relationship of learning.

Encountering the Living Word Book - https://www.amazon.com/Encountering-Living-Word-Relational-Inductive/dp/B0DZSSYHFC

Chery Johns - https://united.edu/cheryl-bridges-johns/

Jackie Johns - https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/jackie-david-johns/

In this rich and thoughtful episode, Chris and Tracy welcome Jackie David Johns and Cheryl Bridges Johns for a conversation shaped by years of ministry, scholarship, and spiritual formation. They share their story of serving in both church and academic settings, and why the church needs deeply formed Pentecostal scholars.

The conversation centers on their book Encountering the Living Word, exploring inductive Bible study not just as a method, but as a relational encounter with God. Jackie and Cheryl emphasize that Scripture is best studied as a time of communion—guided by the truth that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Encountering the Living Word is an invitation for all leaders seeking to make the right steps in their spiritual journey.

Encountering the Living Word Book - https://www.amazon.com/Encountering-Living-Word-Relational-Inductive/dp/B0DZSSYHFC

Chery Johns - https://united.edu/cheryl-bridges-johns/

Jackie Johns - https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/jackie-david-johns/