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The Ethically Immoral Podcast

The Ethically Immoral Podcast

By: Hosted by: Mike Payne
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The Ethically Immoral Podcast is a program dedicated to long-form conversations with poets, spoken word artists, authors, and creatives who use language as a tool for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Hosted by Mike Payne, the show travels beyond the typical interview to explore the personal histories, artistic philosophies, and cultural contexts that shape the voice of the Creatives we welcome.


It’s not just about poetry or performance — it’s about the people behind the pen. We talk about identity, healing, joy, frustration, and the journey of becoming. Some moments are deep, others are funny, but all of them are authentic. If you’re someone who values storytelling, vulnerability, and good conversation, this space was created and cultivated for you.

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Episodes
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Nine - Our Conversation with Blair Trewartha
    Jun 29 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Nine of the Podcast, we welcomed Clinton, Ontario-born and London, Ontario-based Educator, Writer, Author, and Poet Blair Trewartha. The author of three chapbooks and two full-length poetry collections, including the recently released Half-Earth, Blair joins me for his first appearance on the program to discuss a collection more than a decade in the making.

    We begin by celebrating the release of Half-Earth, reflecting on the excitement surrounding its launch, the warm reception it has received, and what it means to finally share a new full-length collection twelve years after his Relit Award-shortlisted debut, Easy Fix. From there, Blair discusses how becoming a father fundamentally reshaped both his life and his writing, explaining how conversations with his two sons unexpectedly became some of the emotional foundations of the new book. Together, we explore how parenthood transformed his understanding of skepticism, compassion, mortality, and the uncertain future his children will inherit in a world shaped by climate anxiety and rapid technological change.

    Our conversation then turns back to Blair's creative beginnings. Growing up on a farm outside Clinton, Ontario, he reflects on the rural landscape that continues to influence his imagination and the lasting impact of the nearby Goderich salt mine. He discusses how the stories shared by family members and friends who worked in the mine left a deep impression, leading us into a discussion about the importance of listening, oral storytelling, and the fascination with other people's stories, which evolved into a desire to tell his own through poetry.

    Contact Blair:
    Instagram
    @btrewart Purchase Half-Earth: Here

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Meccamorphosis – Penny Dreadfuls
    Instagram: @meccamorphosis Website: meccamorphosis.com

    Leah V – Yours
    Instagram: @leahvspeaks Website: leahvspeaks.com

    Mike Rosen – When God Happens
    Instagram: @heymikerosen

    Sonya Renee Taylor – My Body Is Not An Apology
    Instagram: @sonyareneetaylor

    Steven Willis – The Hustle Speaks
    Instagram: @stevenwillispoetry Website: stevenwillispoetry.com

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    2 hrs and 9 mins
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Eight - Our Conversation with Dasha Kelly
    Jun 22 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Eight of the Program, we welcome Milwaukee, Wisconsin-born and based Writer, Poet, Storyteller, Author, Performance Poet, Teaching Artist, and Creative Change Agent Dasha Kelly. A former Milwaukee Poet Laureate and Wisconsin's first Black Poet Laureate, Dasha has spent decades building community through the power of story, imagination, and creative expression.

    During our conversation, Dasha reflects on her early years as a self-described curious kid, arts-and-crafts enthusiast, and natural storyteller. We discuss the role her mother played in encouraging her creative pursuits, her early interest in fiction writing, and how a fascination with psychology and human behavior ultimately intersected with her lifelong love of storytelling.

    Dasha shares her journey into poetry, including her initial resistance to the form before eventually embracing it as a powerful vehicle for exploration and connection. We talk about her creative process, how she determines whether an idea belongs in poetry, fiction, or nonfiction, and the ways those forms often overlap in her work.

    We also examine the evolution of Milwaukee's literary community through Dasha's eyes, comparing her reflections from the early 2000s to the thriving creative culture she helped cultivate over the years. She speaks candidly about community building, connection, and the profound impact of bringing together people from different backgrounds through shared artistic experiences.

    Contact Dasha:
    Website:
    dashakelly.com Instagram: @dasha_kelly

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Porsha O. – Trigger
    Instagram: @porshaolayiwola Website: porshaolayiwola.com

    Barbara Fant – Medicine
    Instagram: @iambarbarafant Website: barbarafant.com

    Black Chakra –I Spit Fire
    Instagram: @blackchakra88

    Ariana Brown – Supremacy
    Instagram: @arianathepoet Website: arianabrown.com

    Javon Johnson – Shotgun
    Instagram: @javonism

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    2 hrs and 14 mins
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Seven - Our Conversation with Jennifer LoveGrove
    Jun 1 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Seven of the podcast, we welcome Dunnville, Ontario-born and Toronto-based Writer, Author, and Poet Jennifer LoveGrove. Jennifer is the author of four full-length poetry collections and the novel Watch How We Walk, which was long-listed for the Giller Prize. Her poetry collection Beautiful Children with Pet Foxes was long-listed for the Raymond Souster Award, and her newest collection, The Tinder Sonnets, is available now via Bookhug Press.

    In our conversation, we discuss Jennifer's creative history—from childhood creativity and growing up with a typewriter and lamp-chair writing setup, to the lasting influence of religion and the sense of outsiderhood that shaped both her worldview and artistic voice. We discuss her movement between fiction and poetry, whether those creative instincts originate from the same creative space, and the realities of maintaining a writing practice beyond romantic ideas of inspiration.

    Jennifer speaks candidly about discipline, resistance, self-doubt, and the emotional terrain of writing—why first drafts can feel exhausting, what revision gives back, and whether satisfaction comes from the act of writing itself or from seeing something new brought into existence.

    We also spend time discussing The Tinder Sonnets—a collection based on Jennifer’s experiences navigating dating apps and modern relationships in middle age. Our conversation touches on vulnerability, confession, female desire, misogyny in contemporary dating culture, and the expectations society places on women as they age. Jennifer reflects on writing openly about intimacy and emotional complexity, what it means to transform personal experience into poetry, and whether the collection brought clarity, confrontation, or simply another way of living alongside difficult truths

    Contact Jennifer:
    Purchase The Tinder Sonnets:
    bookhugpress.ca Instagram: @jenlg52

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Prentice Powell – True Love
    Instagram: @prenticepowell1906 Website: prenticepowell.com

    Asia Samson – Enough
    Instagram: @theasiaproject Website: theasiaproject.com

    Alysia Harris – Death Poem
    Instagram: @poppyinthewheat Website: alysiaharris.com

    Kyla Janee Lacey – I Pulled Out A Knife On Him
    Instagram: @kylajlacey Website: thatswritekyla.com

    Emi Mahmoud – Window Games
    Instagram: @emibatuta Website: emi-mahmoud.com

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    2 hrs and 6 mins
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