In this episode, Dr. Stephen Meyer is back to set the record straight and unpack the bigger argument his critics keep missing. This is the first part of a response to Sir Roger Penrose who recently pushed back on a previous conversation with me on the show. Stephen calls it a "pick your poison" argument and once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's a dilemma at the heart of modern cosmology that philosophical naturalism has not been able to escape.

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Is the universe fine-tuned for life? Or has the fine-tuning argument been defeated? In this conversation, I sit down with Dr. Jay Richards, a philosopher, co-author of The Privileged Planet, and one of the world's leading defenders of the fine-tuning argument to explore one of the most compelling cases for design today. Dr. Richards walks through how the fine-tuning argument has improved over 30 years and why even atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins have admitted this is the argument that gives them pause.

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