In part one of this week’s triple author interview, literary agent Carly Watters sits down with Mai Nguyen to discuss her deeply personal novel ‘Cleo Dang Would Rather Be Dead’. Mai shares the heartbreaking real-life loss that inspired the book and how writing fiction became a vessel for processing grief. They dive into the challenge of portraying “bed-rotting” grief on the page, balancing darkness with humor, and why a funeral home setting became the perfect device to move the story—and the character—forward. The conversation also explores envy in grief, the taboo of infant loss, and how community and connection can bring someone back to life.

Part two pivots to Carly Watters chatting with Lindsay Wong about her genre-bending novel ‘Villain-Hitting for Vicious Little Nobodies’—a dark, hilarious story blending horror, history, and autofiction. Lindsay breaks down the book as a story of choicelessness, intergenerational trauma, and what women sacrifice to survive under capitalism and cultural expectations. They dive into corpse marriage, villain hitting, and how myth and reality collide to explore power, class, and rage—especially for women who aren’t allowed to express it. The conversation also unpacks world-building through power dynamics, writing discomfort as a craft tool, and navigating multiple POVs.

Part 3 dives deep into craft, character, and the messy reality of writing the book you actually need to write—not the one you started with. Laurie Frankel breaks down how voice isn’t found—it’s earned through hundreds of drafts, and why early pages are often just writers “circling the building” until the story clicks. The conversation explores smart craft choices like easing readers in with minor characters, using names as free character development, and why your protagonist’s job should serve the story’s needs, not just realism.

Note: CeCe Lyra is a literary agent at Wendy Sherman Associates. If you’d like to query CeCe, please refer to the submission guidelines at www.wsherman.com. Carly Watters is a literary agent at P.S. Literary Agency, but her work on this podcast is not affiliated with the agency, and the views expressed by Carly on this podcast are solely that of her as a podcast co-host ​and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, policies, or position of P.S. Literary Agency.

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Debut author Canwen Xu joins Bianca to talk about ‘Boring Asian Female’—the dark, addictive novel that began as women’s fiction and evolved into a razor-sharp psychological thriller. They discuss, turning personal failure into emotional truth on the page, the 25 drafts and major genre pivot that changed everything, writing a morally messy, hyper self-aware protagonist and why internal validation matters more than external wins. A candid conversation about obsession, identity, and the long road to getting it right.

Part two of this month’s bonus episode, Bianca connects with best-selling author, Rea Frey. Rea dives into the behind-the-scenes realities of writing and publishing, with a sharp focus on what truly moves the needle for authors. From the power of agent meetings—offering market-savvy, no-nonsense feedback you won’t get from peers—to the brutal truth about rewriting entire manuscripts under pressure, this episode pulls back the curtain on the process . She shares hard-earned insights on resilience, why some books need to be shelved (for now), and how timing can make or break a manuscript. Plus, a candid look at the biggest mistakes writers make—from submitting too early to ignoring the business side of publishing—and why understanding the industry is just as critical as mastering craft.

And lastly, don’t miss out on Emilie’s comps!

Note: CeCe Lyra is a literary agent at Wendy Sherman Associates. If you’d like to query CeCe, please refer to the submission guidelines at www.wsherman.com. Carly Watters is a literary agent at P.S. Literary Agency, but her work on this podcast is not affiliated with the agency, and the views expressed by Carly on this podcast are solely that of her as a podcast co-host ​and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, policies, or position of P.S. Literary Agency.

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This week on Books with Hooks, Bianca CeCe and Carly unpack what makes a query actually work—and where things quietly fall apart. From a gripping friends-to-lovers premise with a dark past to a stranded-on-an-island YA romance, they dive into high-stakes storytelling, dual POV risks, and the fine line between intrigue and frustration. They break down why accessible literary might raise eyebrows, how withholding key information can backfire, and why surprise on the page needs context to land. Plus: opening pages that hook, voice that shines, and the ongoing debate between depth vs momentum.

Note: CeCe Lyra is a literary agent at Wendy Sherman Associates. If you’d like to query CeCe, please refer to the submission guidelines at www.wsherman.com. Carly Watters is a literary agent at P.S. Literary Agency, but her work on this podcast is not affiliated with the agency, and the views expressed by Carly on this podcast are solely that of her as a podcast co-host ​and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, policies, or position of P.S. Literary Agency.

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