In this episode, Kate is joined by Ebele Okobi, who has held senior roles at OpenAI, Meta and Nike. But in this conversation, it's her separation story that takes centre stage. And this one is different – you'll want to stay right till the end to find out why.

We talk about:

• The circumstances that led Ebele to the decision to separate
• How society can make it harder to do things kindly – both in divorce and co-parenting
• How Ebele’s children and friends responded to the news
• Why communication matters so much through separation
• How certain revelations can completely change the way you see your life and your relationship

There's a big reveal at the end – and it's worth the wait.

This episode is for anyone navigating separation and looking for a story of hope – and a reminder that there's not a single right way to do this.

Trigger warning: This episode touches on content some listeners may find distressing, including violence, murder, police brutality, racial discrimination and genocide. Please take care of yourself while listening.

Meet Ebele Okobi

Ebele Okobi is the principal of Revolutionary Projects, an advisor, board member and maker of good trouble with 25 years of experience leading global teams across tech, consumer brands and arts institutions. With a background spanning corporate law, policy and the C-suite – including roles at OpenAI, Facebook/Meta, Nike and Dr. Martens – she now focuses her energy on organisations that push towards joy, justice and better worlds.

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Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on navigating separation with kindness, rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.

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Divorce is an emotional journey with legal and financial consequences – but what happens when the professionals helping you through it don't understand that?

Kate is joined by Annmarie Carvalho, award-winning therapist and former family solicitor, to explore why the emotional side of divorce matters just as much as the legal side – and what that looks like in practice.

We talk about:

• From solicitor to therapist – and why the emotional side of divorce drew Annmarie in
• How to spot a legal professional who truly gets the emotional journey
• Why the five stages of grief is a myth – and what healing post-divorce really looks like
• The skills that help you navigate divorce negotiations more effectively
• Practical tips to support your wellbeing during separation

This episode is for anyone going through separation who wants to feel more understood, more prepared and more in control of how they show up through the process.

Meet Annmarie Carvalho

Annmarie Carvalho is a multi-award winning therapist, trainer and public speaker. Before retraining to become a therapist, she was a family solicitor and mediator at Central London law firm Farrer & Co for over a decade.

Annmarie set up the therapy, training and coaching agency TCC in 2018 with a mission to provide better mental health support and improve psychological understanding amongst lawyers and those working in and around the legal profession.

Since then, she has worked therapeutically with hundreds of members of the legal profession and trained many more, with a goal to help those in the profession ‘stay sane’. Her first book ‘Staying Sane in Family Law’ is aimed at helping legal professionals better understand the psychological demands of family law work.

You can learn more about Annmarie’s work on her website and you can get in touch with her on LinkedIn or on Instagram.

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Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness, navigating separation with kindness and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.

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Hal Cruttenden has found the funny side of divorce – most recently in his show 'Can Dish It Out But Can't Take It'. But in this conversation, he goes deeper and gets honest about what it's really been like.

Kate is joined by comedian Hal Cruttenden, who talks candidly about his own separation story – from infidelity to dating after divorce, and everything in between.

We talk about:

• How separation affects your confidence and sense of self
• What lazy versus comfortable looks like in a relationship
• Why friendships matter so much during divorce
• Experiencing infidelity and how it shapes your co-parenting relationship going forward
• Dating after divorce and learning to enjoy your own company again

This episode is for anyone navigating separation who wants an honest, warm and at times funny perspective on what life on the other side can look like.

A quick note – this episode includes open discussion of poor mental health and depression, as well as sex. Please listen with care and out of earshot of children.

Meet Hal Cruttenden

Hal Cruttenden is a stand-up comedian, actor and podcaster. In his latest show, Hal Cruttenden: Can Dish It Out But Can't Take It, he discussed the devastation of his divorce - after 20 years of marriage his wife left him. Now, three years on, Hal is determined to stick it to The Man (as long as The Man doesn’t stick it back to him). Packed with hilarious pontificating on middle-aged dating, social media, the insanity of modern politics and the fragility of marriage, Hal talks about swapping supposed security and a silver anniversary, for dating apps and the unexpected shift of being offered life advice by your kids.

You can learn more about Hal and book a ticket to his show on his website. You can also follow him on Instagram, Facebook and X to hear more about his life post-divorce.

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Need expert help right now?

Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation.

Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation?

Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists.Start your free trial here.

Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on navigating separation with kindness, rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.

Got a question for a future episode?

Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram.

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